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  • RE: Conspired against, and unfairly banned

    @miu The only apology here was for julia, he did not say anything about the shit talking he did, the whole "conspiracy" against him or about this innocent player.
    However, given all the insight in the reasoning behind our decisions he should be able to understand where he went too far.

    We talked already about extending the time masters can put people in jail or mute them. I will further extend those times so masters can handle it if that is necessary.

    @Cowboy Your "friend" appeared on 13th of October...

    Sat Oct 13 15:29:04 2018 | join: ShoelessJoe (10)
    Sat Oct 13 15:30:49 2018 | ShoelessJoe: my buddy mafia got banned from this game
    Sat Oct 13 15:31:41 2018 | ShoelessJoe: he asked me to come here, and ask you guys go to the website to hear his case. 
    Sat Oct 13 15:32:00 2018 | (&)Capunti: he has a lawyer?
    Sat Oct 13 15:32:06 2018 | tuta: are you gay lovers?
    Sat Oct 13 15:32:34 2018 | ShoelessJoe: no, just the only way for him to get unbanned is to have supporters 
    Sat Oct 13 15:32:40 2018 | tuta: lowyers?
    Sat Oct 13 15:32:53 2018 | (&)Capunti: he does not know why he is banned ?
    Sat Oct 13 15:33:09 2018 | Springbok: this server is not a demokracy. If he has issues, he need to post it on
    Sat Oct 13 15:33:55 2018 | (&)Capunti: pastaland secret police dont need to hear his reasons :D
    Sat Oct 13 15:34:25 2018 | ShoelessJoe: he did that. its not a democracy tho, and he feels pretty shitty that hes banned from the game, and has no chance of swaying one minded people
    Sat Oct 13 15:34:41 2018 | (&)Capunti: did he troll or act silly  ?
    Sat Oct 13 15:34:49 2018 | (&)Capunti: and is his name fragginfucker
    Sat Oct 13 15:34:52 2018 | ShoelessJoe: I believe so
    Sat Oct 13 15:35:06 2018 | (&)Capunti: then how are we 2 know how to help him
    Sat Oct 13 15:35:08 2018 | ShoelessJoe: no, mafia
    Sat Oct 13 15:35:26 2018 | (&)Capunti: 6feetdownunder
    Sat Oct 13 15:35:50 2018 | tuta: question is what is demokratia. By Aristotel it is when chosen persons work for their homes
    Sat Oct 13 15:44:48 2018 | tuta: can you play and listen to your wifes/girlfriends?
    Sat Oct 13 15:45:02 2018 | (&)Capunti: only if they are already in the freezer

    What does this have to do with democracy? Even in a democracy when you commit a crime you get punished. At least in the democracy I live in. It is not like every citizen is being asked if we should punish the murderer or not.

    Now that the ban is lifted you come back with your friends name on your IP? So now you steal his identity too?
    Or is he playing from your computer?

    Thu Oct 18 23:27:23 2018 | join: ShoelessJoe (15)

    Or was it just you using his connection that day before? Damn it looks like you have some issues there.

    Honestly I just wanted to get over this now but somehow it is also funny to see what silly shit you try to pull off to get around this situation instead of just saying "sorry, I trashed the name of someone innocent on multiple servers and harassed the masters because I could not accept that someone else got put into spectator for lagging".

    Here is another option for you: You can write an application on the Pastalounge section and people can democratically vote for you so you can join the corrupt master regime yourself!
    Then, only then you can bail people out and take part in the decision whether someone is disrupting the game or not in a meaningful way.


    posted in I've been kicked/banned
  • RE: I cant find this server in the server list... Old Crowd memeber wanting to play again.

    @kaotic which server?

    The original :: Pastaland :: has been shutdown about 1½ years ago.
    :: Rigatoni Rugby :: ( is a well established and actively maintained successor to it based on the pastaland mod.
    Also :: Spirit of Pasta :: is there which also runs the original pastaland mod.

    posted in Pastalounge
  • RE: Conspired against, and unfairly banned

    @Cowboy Lifetime ban hehehe. I removed it.
    Next time you feel someone is not treated fairly you know you can just drop a message here or tell me in the chat (this forum has also a chat function). Or contact a-monster or h8 or any other master.

    There is also this discord chat program...

    In any case I still do not know who of the masters caused the trouble for you in the first place as you have not told me. If you do not say the name to me, which you can do also in private I can't do anything about it.

    Happy fragging

    posted in I've been kicked/banned
  • RE: Conspired against, and unfairly banned

    @Cowboy Hi!

    First of all I would like to thank you for your long explanation.
    I don't think we have read each other before and None of the masters banned you, I banned you based on the evidence which was provided to me and I gathered myself.

    There are no gods here. We are all human beings making mistakes.
    Things can heat up in this game sometimes.
    I looked over what you chat about and it is mostly game related so there should be no reason to mute you.

    Long story short: When there are multiple people telling me you cause trouble and I see the trouble in the logs I ban you. Because it is in my best interest that people (master or not) have fun on the server and not get into trouble.

    This whole thing came to my attention when someone posted a log of you playing on another server where you said that you would cheat now and nobody cares and blah blah... I mean why would anyone do something like this? You explained some of your motivation for this here which I am thankful for but still it is something stupid to do and you do not even apologize for it.

    And besides that you do it also with a name from someone else (who is not a master or moderator nor an administrator) and steal their identity. This is what really bothers me and made me ban you.

    As you described already you wanted to "help" someone because he got put into spectator because he had a bad ping or something.
    julia already pointed out that this is common practice.

    The masters are advised to warn people but some simply ignore warnings.
    Actually the server does it automatically when it detects a too high time variation of received packets.
    This is done because it affects all the other players.
    It is not like we are playing chess via letters here where you say pawn c2 to c3 every week, it is a fast paced first person shooter which was designed with 1999 56k modems in mind and is already very forgiving for people with high latency connections.
    We do not look at high ping, we look at jumping "pj" values!
    In most of the cases people know they lag and they can fix it. You can have too many background applications downloading or uploading stuff, other people in your local network doing stuff for example.

    Now the way you chose was to assume that the masters here who are needed to enforce some basic rules and integrity of the game "play god" and treat you badly and therefore you have to turn into a dick and
    talk bullshit about cheating using a name of someone innocent and not involved in this (john-117)
    and attack masters verbally and by teamkilling.

    Then you wonder why you get banned.

    The correct way would have been to ask the masters why they do something and look to contact an administrator. For example I am an administrator, I run the server, a-monster is an administrator too.

    You talked about that bean ball foul play. Yeah, I don't know much about baseball but I know German football/soccer .. yea you can do bad things to some player but it is up to the referee if they see it and how they react to it. If they see it as something serious or not they decide what to do. Sauer is not much different here.
    Once again when you have a problem with the decisions of one particular master contact me or a-monster, another admin or master and we look into it.

    I am gonna add some case regarding myself here:
    I just got banned today from a server in another game....
    Because I got three yellow cards I am banned for one week it says. The server did that automatically because I ragequit an "accounted" game (which means it is balanced and statistics are recorded).
    Yesterday I completed a game there which took 64 minutes and it was painful. It has integrated voice chat and we had a bunch of noobs there, I told them what to do but we could just not finish the game.
    Nevertheless we won at the end.
    The other two times I got a yellow card were also because I quit "mid game" but it was like half my team was afk standing in base and I saw no point in playing then but the server does not see this.
    Also there are no admins I can contact about it. There is this website: Try to find someone to contact. No chance!

    But today it was so painful because we already almost won and then slowly losing control of the map again and it made me so upset I stopped being nice and started insulting one particular player I gave clear instructions before in a kind way.
    Not even the players or admins banned me, it was me, I knew this was gonna happen and I accept it.
    One week ban for actually ragequitting once in a public game.

    The big difference here is that I cannot direct my anger towards some people because I know that an algorithm made this choice to ban me. And you direct your anger against people who did not even ban you. You should direct it towards me if at anyone. And again all I see is people complaining about your behavior, then looking into logs and seeing you start to fake innocent peoples names doing shit.

    posted in I've been kicked/banned
  • RE: [Statistics] Insight into what pasta is best

    @Morty go see a doctor. you are wrong and your brain is malfunctioning.

    @miu when do we eat some pasta?

    @Øwl hehehehe, fuck you!

    First of all I would like to thank you for the questions about randomness because it is something I am working on for a science project!

    Randomness in sauer where we do not roll the virtual dice very often also means we can get many times the same result. Like in a dice game we can be a loser or a winner many times in a row. And our brain always tries to find a pattern in this even if you use perfect dices so there is no pattern.
    Both the pseudo randomness in lua for rigatoni and the pseudo randomness for lets say shotgun shots are kinda good overall.

    Back to sauerbraten. For example on the Trouble in sauertown / Traitor server the sauer mersenne twister is used and while it actually does have a good distribution of results you can only see this when like playing 1000 games for example. Since this is not good I do something different there.
    Imagine a stack of cards, and when you join you pick two empty cards and write your name on them.
    Now the pseudo random number generator is used only to shuffle the cards once.

    For each round a card is removed from the stack and that is the traitor.
    So We have a stack of cards and you can be sure every player will become the traitor twice until the stack is empty and the process is started again.
    In theory it is also possible, that when you have like the last two cards in the stack and a new stack is generated you become the traitor three or four times in a row.

    This works really great I think for this game because everyone wants to become the traitor sooner or later and at the same time have the feeling it is random.
    But it is the traitor game.

    So lets get back to the public server.
    I prefer choice. Someone suggested that we could also just use the old linear map rotation. So no randomness, no voting, all maps are played the same amount of times.
    Well I think it is an achievement that you can choose what to play next.
    And if you think about it... in vanilla sauer it was already the case that you could vote with /map for what you want.
    You just actually have to do it. One fucking command and it seems too much.

    The map voting stuff has been altered in three minor things months ago:

    1. The server does not suggest the same map immediately again
    2. The lists of what is a big and small map have been changed. The code for it is like over a year old already.
    3. A list of questionable maps was added that the server will not suggest itself such as tortuga, see my other thread about it.

    You are free to suggest any ctf map for the mapbattle. It is the same code and works the same as it has for years now.
    If your shit is not accepted you either typed it wrongly or someone else was faster than you and filled the voting pool already.

    The next step for you fat lazy Americans will be the ultimate map picking algorithm. An AI that takes the data up there into account and picks always the map that will keep the player count at a maximum. The ultimate optimization function that takes control away from you. I have a layout for it already. But once we are there actually you as humans are also not needed anymore because we can also calculate the result of any player/map combination. So you can finally stop playing and put that Mc Donald's needle into your arm and inject the mayonnaise.

    I hope we do not go this path and wish you a happy day and good (manual) voting and fragging!

    posted in Comments & Feedback
  • RE: Music Dump 2.0

    My childhood :sweat_smile:

    (the part where an army is marching it is actually German at the end "Rechts um!")
    I have asked many times how they messed up language in their stuff.

    Sadly, Germany, the US, Russia and many more countries are involved in wars. :(
    I say: Stop the war, start the game! !Because there you can kill your enemy twice... or thrice...? :D

    posted in Pastalounge
  • RE: [Jokes] Removing Pasta jokes on Rigatoni

    Soon it will not matter anymore :sob:
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  • RE: [Jokes] Removing Pasta jokes on Rigatoni

    @miu over 100 jokes
    and like 150 messages in total, there are also hints

    posted in Comments & Feedback
  • RE: [Jokes] Removing Pasta jokes on Rigatoni

    @miu too complicated. there is no account system or something like that. Even the #nojokes command has to be typed each time you reconnect. So yea impossible right now.

    As I said in the beginning I also think that the jokes are something that defines the character of the server if something like that exists :)

    But besides the complaints I get it also frustrates me when for example because of a change I put in tons of explanation messages but nobody reads them. So yea I can tell nobody looks at this stuff anyway anymore.
    Which makes me pretty confident, that when I would remove stuff silently nobody would even notice.

    I already said I am not the guy who can write tons of new funny lines and if you are honest @GustavoLapasta I also found the website where you did "copy and pasta" most jokes from... so it is not even very original.

    If ten users would each write 5 lines we would already have a fresh arsenal that can make people smile but I fear this is never gonna happen.

    posted in Comments & Feedback